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City Council is debating whether a dog rescue kennel should be allowed in Woburn.
The City Council is debating whether a dog rescue kennel facility should be given a special permit.
The council heard from Great Dog Rescue of New England at its last meeting, according to the Woburn Daily Times. During the meeting, two aldermen reportedly questioned whether the facility should be allowed.
The Great Dog kennel would be located at 34 Holton St. and serve as a facilty to house up to 36 dogs between Thursdays and Saturdays as the pups await adoption.
The owner of the building reportedly told aldermen that the kennel would be "sound-proofed" to avoid disruptions from barking.
The City Council Special Permits subcommittee will meet to further discuss the question.
What do you think? Should the city allow this non-profit organization to open a kennel on Holton Street?
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charles
7:50 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013
I wouldn't want one in my neighborhood. Sound proof? What happens when the dogs go outside? Neighborhood will need some air refreshener, maybe some heavenly scented deodorzer. Good luck...
Betsy Herald
5:09 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013
What happens when your neighbors allow their dogs outside in the backyard? The isolation facility will not house any outdoor space.
dan
8:47 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013
In addition, with the problems a dog kennel would bring to a neighborhood, this non-prof organization could bring former prison inmates to Holton street area. Prisoners, who are associated with the “Don’t Throw Us Away program at the North Central Correctional Institution at Gardner MA (The Great Dogs Rescue Kennel’ program) could be attracted to the home location of Great Dogs Rescue Kennel, bringing an additional safety concern for the neighbors. If the city council moves to allow the kennel, it should be moved to the IP-2 zoning district away from potential problems that some prisoners, including sex offenders, would bring into a neighborhood situation and children
Betsy Herald
5:08 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013
Please do your research first. The DTUA Program in Gardner does not allow any prisoners off premises. Inmates are not involved in any way in the daily activities of Great Dog Rescue nor are they ever allowed to come to the isolation facility, GDRNE events or any other function of the rescue. GDRNE supplies dogs to this valuable program, but it is a different charity, with a different Director and a different location. I do think it is a wonderful program and encourage everyone to learn more about it: www.dtua.org
Catie Donnelly
10:41 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013
I support the rescue. Holton street isn't all neighboorhood. The great dog rescue is an amazing organization and it sounds like that this would only be a temporary spot for dogs whom I assuming have been adopted to be picked up between the days of thursday-saturday. As for the smell, I have lived in Woburn most of my life and growing up in East Woburn everyone smells the jello factory which isn't such a great scent.
According to the "Don't throw us away program" website ditua.org. the program is in the actual correction facility and says "Gaining hands on training in the animal care profession increases the inmates’ chances of gainful employment after release and reduces the risk of recidivism." That by no means says that prisoners/parolee's will go out of their way to find great dog rescue. Not only that I'm sure the owner of the building would have brought that to the council meeting. On the Woburn police website it has 4 level 3 sex offenders listed on my phone app I can see 8 in that area. If a sex offender is to work or reside in Woburn they need to be listed. I think we should worry more about the ones who live in a neighborhoods than think about the potential that could or could not happen.
Great Dog Rescue is only to looking to further the lives of unwanted dogs. Thursday- Saturday is all their asking for and I don't think thats a lot.
dan
2:55 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013
As for the smell, many moved into Woburn after the Jell-O plant was built, so, we came into the smell; however, there is no reason to invite another smelly business like a dog kennel into the neighborhood. Furthermore, it was a level one sex offender who was arrested in Wakefield and level one sex offenders do not have to be restarted. The whole state sex registration program is a mess; and, why should the residents take a chance with their Holton street neighborhood. The IP-2 zoning district is in a commercial district; and, a business that has an outreach program that could attract a criminal from a State correctional institution, not a county house of correction, especially sex offenders, should be located in the IP-2 zoning district. One child put in danger because of a business that may attract criminals because of their outreach program is too many.
Aron Levy
10:44 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013
So long as it is a no-kill shelter, I'm all for it. Plus it will give me a convenient place to volunteer!
Betsy Herald
5:13 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013
Thank You! Great Dog Rescue is a no-kill rescue who is always in need of volunteers! We should also mention that we are a shelterless rescue. This means we only keep dogs at the facility for a 48 hour period which is the required state isolation. All GDRNE dogs then move to their adopters or into qualified foster homes throughout New England. The facility is never used as a long term home for dogs. I can think of much worse things to have in your neighborhood. There is a company in the area that disposes asbestos! GDRNE does not cause traffic, outdoor noise, or hazardous waste. The organization is a great neighbor....just ask anyone in Harvard where they have been for 9 years without 1 complaint from the community.
Anita Durgin
10:57 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013
I'm all for it.
Marc Quinn
1:03 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013
Holton st. abuts many neighborhoods. I'm against it. Huge echo effect for the residents up on Bluberry Hill already with trucks . Plenty of other commercial area in Woburn with no neighborhoods,go there!!!
Mark
Betsy Herald
5:16 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013
The dogs will only be housed indoors and I can assure you, they create much less waste and noise than a truck.
Catie Donnelly
4:59 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013
The outreach program is in the actual correctional facility. If you read the website they learn dog training skills and animal care, like a trade. That does not what so ever imply that the rescue would even hire an ex prisoner or parolee.
I've worked in the animal field as a kennel worker and now a vet tech for over 10 years. If the facility is taken care of and well maintained there is no smell. People are acting like its a raw sewage plant. Also if the dogs are looked after their happy. Believe it or not dogs just don't poop and bark all day.
Catie Donnelly
5:03 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013
Its not going to be a 24/7 operation. Its just a temporary holding facility so the dogs can go to a home.
Catie Donnelly
8:04 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013
Thank you Betsey! I would also love to volunteer and do whatever I can to help.
Betsy Herald
8:09 am on Sunday, January 20, 2013
Hopefully we get approved so you can come help! If you want more information on volunteering, our website is: www.gdrne.com
dan
9:36 am on Sunday, January 20, 2013
Because of your not kill policy, gives the organization a positive spin as a neighbor; however, because of the organization’s connections to the prisoner program, http://www.neads.org/document.doc?id=27, the city should be concern for the safety of the children. Released prisoners from MCI Gardner could be attracted to an area where a Greater Dog rescue organization is located that is the reason for the IP2 zone location. Sex offenders use puppies and kitties to attract children to befriend them; and, with a mixed use neighborhood, such as Holton street, many of the children’s families who live in the area could not financially afford the $450.00 adoption fee for a dog. And, a child starving for the companionship of a dog could be at risk to the advances of a predator who would use a cute puppy as bait to lure the child into a dangerous situation. Does the Greater Dog rescue organization have a pet forester care program for the working poor family?
BILL, C.
10:09 am on Sunday, January 20, 2013
seems to me we are more concerned about a dog kennel then we are about a CVS going in no woburn where school children walk all day near the park,, playground plus hundreds of cars trucks pass all day,,,, this is a dog kennel,, three days,, great people run it,, the dogs are well cared for instead of running the streets,,i live across from a vet who will house dogs for a week or two,, i smell noting and the noise is nothing to complain about,,,,,,,, there are more important things to worry about..
Betsy Herald
10:32 am on Sunday, January 20, 2013
Thank you Bill.
Dan,
I understand your concerns about the Prison Program, but I think if you had all the information your worries would be completely gone. The program members are not associated with Great Dog Rescue in anyway other than training the dogs. They live in a very secluded and careful enviornment in Gardner, Ma. and are never allowed to have any information, pictures, etc... for any of the adopters who adopt the dogs trained there. They do not visit the isolation center or leave the Prison......EVER. The dogs they work with never come back to the isolation center.....so there would be no reason for them to seek us out.
Betsy Herald
10:35 am on Sunday, January 20, 2013
One other thing to note: The handlers in the DTUA Program are not allowed to have any type of violent history. No sex offenders or violent criminals are allowed to work with the dogs at the Prison. We would never put our dogs in danger in that manner. We are likely talking guys who committed check fraud here.
dan
7:16 pm on Sunday, January 20, 2013
Yea right, check fraud, probably Middlesex or other house of correction; but MCI Gardner is a state institution; you are a bad boy to get sentence to a Massachusetts Correctional Institution. It is not a house of correction for lower level Felons and misdemeanors.
Pat
10:24 pm on Sunday, January 20, 2013
Dan I have no idea where you get your information. The prison program is run IN the prison, when the dog is trained it then goes to the new owner. You need to check facts before you make statements.
dan
11:02 pm on Sunday, January 20, 2013
You are looking at the dog.
I am looking at the prisoner.
Prisoners get out. After participating in a prison program that helps the inmate train dogs, the former inmate will search for the company looking for a job. The residents of the Holton street area should be aware that the dog caring non-profit company could attract former detainee from MCI Gardner.
dan
11:02 pm on Sunday, January 20, 2013
You are looking at the dog.
I am looking at the prisoner.
Prisoners get out. After participating in a prison program that helps the inmate train dogs, the former inmate will search for the company looking for a job. The residents of the Holton street area should be aware that the dog caring non-profit company could attract former detainee from MCI Gardner.
Betsy Herald
7:43 am on Monday, January 21, 2013
Dan,
Note that we are a 501 C3 charity without hiring practices and only one paid employee, who is a wonderful woman. We do not provide job opportunities.
Earnhardt
8:08 am on Monday, January 21, 2013
Not sure about having this in that area, Holton St. has been beat up for a long time, It's a great cause, and probably one of the lower impact businesses to go in the area, but why here? why not in the Commerce way area? There are many empty buildings there that would be ideal for this business. What makes Holton St more attractive than the Commerce way area?
Aron Levy
1:36 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013
Why does the location matter? If they can get a better deal on Holton St than Commerce Way, wouldn't they be foolish to take the higher rent? Come now, Earnhardt. I know you're not a fool.
Betsy Herald
8:21 am on Monday, January 21, 2013
People should consider how important this rental is to the owner of the building. Commercial space is not all that easy to lease these days. I think having abandoned buildings in the neighborhood is much worse than a charity organization which saves the lives of animals.
Earnhardt
8:24 am on Monday, January 21, 2013
Well, then consider the property owners in the Commerce way area. Where this would be much better suited.I mean, explain what the attraction to Holton St. is.Help us understand, No one is arguing it's a great organization. Explain why here and not another area.
Betsy Herald
2:34 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013
GDRNE spent almost a year looking for the right location. We looked for something in a somewhat isolated location, not because we worried about us, but because we hoped to not face opposition. The offices spaces near Commerce Way are more concentrated and we worried that this would cause us issue on our approval with local businesses. To be honest, we also needed something our small budget could afford with enough space. Also, many landlords would not consider pets on the premises. Most of the places in the Commerce Way area were too large and out of our affordability range.
Earnhardt
8:14 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013
@Aaron Levy, the location matters if residents do not want it there. Read and try to comprehend my question. Instead of making statements. And you are no fool either, that's why if you are looking to locate a business does it not make sense to look at all commercial property? Seriously, Where they need a zoning change possibly on Holton St, they may not need one on Commerce way.I asked Betsy for an explanation as to her reasons for Holton st.She obviously explained it in her above answer. I'm sure it also gives the Holton st neighbors some insight into the reason for wanting to locate there, Come on Aaron, even a guy like you knows enough to realize any and all questions in a case like this are important. Smarten up.
Aron Levy
8:36 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013
Earnhardt, of course I understand that. I also see a strong display of NIMBYism here. And coming from Lexington, the home of NIMBYism, I would hope that people would be more open to positive businesses. And there's nothing much more positive than a temporary dog shelter.
(Sorry I came off as a jerk. I just don't understand where all of this opposition is coming from. And while I understand the noise and smell concerns, I've lived next to animal shelters, and generally you'd never even know it was there.)
Earnhardt
8:42 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013
Aaron, I am all for animal shelters, I don't even live near Holton St. But My people and I drive through there probably 50 times a week. there will be NIMBY'S everywhere obviously, I wanted her to explain, and she did, I agree with you as you probably would never know it was there. Apology accepted, It takes a man to apologize. Not every question has evil intentions. Neighbors want explanations and I felt the question was asking for an explanation, not a condemnation. All good here OK?
Aron Levy
8:51 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013
Earnhardt, I am totally cool with you :)
Earnhardt
8:53 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013
Peace Aron. same here, We can disagree with no insults, I am just as guilty. Cool back at ya! :)
laura
1:50 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
I'm a OTRA verified transporter who had driven for great Dog Rescue many times to their current kennel. Never once have I seen dog waste or even smelled any while dropping or picking up dogs from them. They run a good clean kennel and it's been a pleasure to transport for them!!!
Betsy Herald
7:25 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Thank you Laura. And gentelmen above, we appreciate your discourse and are happy to address any concerns. We want to be a positive addition to Woburn and we want people to be glad we are there.
Richard Maggio
7:35 am on Friday, January 25, 2013
As owner of the building I had the same concerns as the neighbors. I have tenants in the building and my own office is in the building. Quiet enjoyment of tenancy is part of my lease and anything to detract from that would be problamatic for me. After much investigation I am convinced that noise and waste will not be issues. Consider that the nearest residents on Holton St. and Blueberry hill are approximately 600-800 feet away. Hearing a dog at those locations would be like having a dog bark inside City Hall and thinking you might hear it at the Library and the field behind the Library Really?
dan
8:03 am on Friday, January 25, 2013
Richard
Just wanted to discuss the subject, have a good relationship with your new tenant. She seems to be honest and up front with her answers during the discussion.
Richard Maggio
8:41 am on Friday, January 25, 2013
@ Dan, contact me anytime directly if you have concerns or issues. My office is in the building. 781.491.0848 We have done our home work. This tenant will be a non issue for the residents of Woburn.
Maura Branley
11:31 am on Friday, January 25, 2013
I live up the road. The facility houses the dogs for a short period of time. I don't think there will be much disruption to the area and super happy to see another rescue group in Woburn.
Oh Woburn
11:34 am on Friday, January 25, 2013
As a Woburn resident, I am deeply disgusted that Woburn residents are opposing a dog shelter, especially with so many other things residents should be concerned about! Here we have a woman willing to DONATE her time to save a life (yes, animals are alive too). Yet, many residents are screaming "noise"... "waste"... "criminals". Unbelievable!
Maybe you are not aware that Woburn houses somewhere around seven (and growing) 40B establishments (or projects). I'm sure these places do not attract any of the three things you're worried about..! You should most certainly direct your concern to the city passing out more of these permits, because these establishments, no matter where they are in the city, will effect you!
If you're truly concerned about criminals in our city, you should start at the top. Trying to deflect criminals away from our city by getting a dog shelter shut down is almost comical. You should truly start researching your city and the people in it before you start attacking a non-profit organization. How about the halfway house in four corners (which allows criminals) located .3 miles away from an elementary school? I know I have seen them lurking around late at night, and have in fact been approached by them. The truth of it is, Woburnites only see what they want to see. Do what makes you sleep at night. Turn your head the other way.
Oh Woburn
11:36 am on Friday, January 25, 2013
To hear some of you complaining about waste is a complete disgrace. You people should be happy when you run your water for the first time in the morning and it doesn't smell like chlorine. Or better yet, be thankful that you can see through it. Have you forgotten your roots? And please, let's not be concerned about the sewage that dumps into our pond water whenever there's an overflow.
All I’m trying to say here, is if you are disgruntled about a safe haven for dogs, you need to open your eyes. There are ENTIRE STREETS in this city that should be declared a public nuisance. Matter of fact, I’m sure a dog barking would be “white noise” to some of our residents.
Why not look at the bright side of things? We will have an organization where these kids can go after school to help out, instead of strolling around Woburn center. Matter of fact, it’s been proven that troubled teens (or anyone!) can often find a connection with animals. Let people be reminded of what it means to volunteer. Let people be reminded that it takes a community help a life. Let this help our city.
Lucy Loo
12:00 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
Well put, Oh Woburn!!!! Could not agree more!!!!!
Woof
4:44 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
The DTUA program is run out of the Minimum facility at NCCI Gardner. Sex Offenders are not housed in minimum facilities. FYI DAN.
dan
6:37 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
http://masscases.com/cases/app/82/82massappct1.html